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Post by Tringa on Jun 11, 2019 7:38:26 GMT
I've thought a while before using this word and I never normally use it in this context but how 'sick' is someone who gives live fox cubs to hounds?
Dave
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Post by NellyDee on Jun 11, 2019 8:01:55 GMT
I agree sick beyoung belief - actually speachless!
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Post by rowanberry on Jun 11, 2019 19:14:03 GMT
I had to walk away from my pc this morning after seeing this.... a suspended sentence???
Fox-hunting is supposed to be illegal... he was training his hounds to hunt foxes, by allowing, (encouraging) them to tear to pieces live baby cubs. The huntsman (Paul Oliver) and his partner Hannah Rose were supposedly given suspended sentences because otherwise they would lose their jobs- in which they perform illegal activities.
I'm sorry, this is simply ridiculous. This sentence wasn't a slap on the wrist... it was a sodding handshake.  |
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Post by ianr on Jun 12, 2019 7:04:30 GMT
Makes you wonder what hunt the judge rides with. But of course they've always done as they please
ian
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Post by Tringa on Jun 12, 2019 8:06:51 GMT
".... supposedly given suspended sentences because otherwise they would lose their jobs...."
A couple of thoughts come to mind.
1. I bet quite a few people have been given custodial sentences irrespective of whether they would lose their jobs - so why is this different?
2. Can the risk of losing one's job now be used in mitigation?
At times I get so fed up with, in my view, the inadequacy of sentencing in wildlife crimes that I feel like saying to the hunting/shooting fraternity, "Go ahead do absolutely anything you want because the law is never going to treat your crimes seriously."
Dave
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Post by rowanberry on Jun 12, 2019 12:44:21 GMT
1. I bet quite a few people have been given custodial sentences irrespective of whether they would lose their jobs - so why is this different?
Well, exactly. One has to wonder who keeps their horses at the stud farm where Paul Oliver now works. Someone has pulled some strings somewhere.
Top marks to the Hunt Investigation Team, who worked so hard to bring this disgusting behaviour to public attention. They must be so frustrated with the sentences that were handed out,  (if they can even be called 'sentences'... what a joke!) but HIT did their very best to get justice for those unfortunate cubs. The fact they'd been tipped off to shadow and film Paul Oliver shows it wasn't the first time he'd done it, either.
And what of the pathetic excuses from defendants Julie Elmore from Abergavenny and Paul Reece from Monmouthshire who supplied the cubs? They claim they thought the cubs were going to be 'relocated' and so were only given conditional discharges and ordered to pay costs of £50 after the judge said both had been "motivated by consideration" for two fox cubs. What planet is that judge on, exactly? 
Yeah, right. Best way to relocate fox cubs- dig them out of their den and take them to a hunting kennel. (Er... not the RSPCA, maybe? Fox Welfare Trust? Vale Wildlife Rescue?? Naaaahhhhh. Hunting kennel. Of course.
Must go fix lunch now, before my blood pressure starts to simmer.
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Post by Tringa on Jun 12, 2019 14:00:27 GMT
Agree about those who got off.
How a court can accept after the fox cubs were dug out of the den then the best person to give them to for 'relocating' was a master of hounds is beyond me.
Dave
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(if they can even be called 'sentences'... what a joke!) but HIT did their very best to get justice for those unfortunate cubs. The fact they'd been tipped off to shadow and film Paul Oliver shows it wasn't the first time he'd done it, either.