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Post by rowanberry on Dec 3, 2016 8:27:51 GMT
It is something I've been wondering about- that perhaps like everything else, public interest in wildlife or environmental issues waxes and wanes just like with everything else...things seem to become trendy until something else comes along. I know that this forum is struggling, but I did anticipate that happening once WAB was back up and running again...we were only meant to help keep everyone together while WAB was down. However, I had a look at their site yesterday, just to see how it was getting on and I was dismayed to see how little activity was going on there...why?? That was always such a thriving, busy forum but I couldn't see many new posts at all- and not many people viewing the forums, either. It is a shame, because I've been thinking they were ticking along nicely over there, (and I have to admit I don't look at WAB very often because I found it difficult to divide my postings between two forums- I just stuck to this one.) Is it just that time of year, when gardens seem quiet, (although I can see out into mine from here and the birds are all over the place) and with Christmas coming there are too many other things to worry about? I hope that is all it is because I would hate to see that forum go, even though I'm not using it. There was such a wealth of knowledge and experience there! (To say nothing of all the fantastic photos.) I'm hoping it's just a temporary lack of interest, and not a general decline in interest about our wildlife.
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Post by Harold Smith on Dec 3, 2016 10:19:01 GMT
Hallo Rowenberry,
I'm afraid WAB still has its problems and from the look of it little has been done to resolve them.
The Login button has disappeared so it is not possible to log in. If your not permanently logged in the way round it is to try replying to a post. You will be then presented with a log in screen and then you can log in.
Non members cannot register to become members because the Registration facility has been disabled.
WAB was a great site and had many interesting and varied members. It is a shame that few of them followed us onto WABI.
Sadly I think WAB is now defunct. Even if it eventually got back up and running I think quite a few of the old members may be reluctant to return because of what happened in the past.
Though WABI membership is fairly small people are still joining, all be it in dribs and drabs. The more new members we get the more active WABI will become.
Harold.
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Post by Cotham Marble on Dec 3, 2016 14:39:15 GMT
Re: WAB - Stewart posted some months ago that he aims to rebuild the site, IIRC on a wholly new platform, how long that will be is anyones's guess. The continuing problems seem often to be viewer specific and sometimes simply clearing cookies, restarting browsers etc can reslove the issue (though not always !).
As far as the wider question is concerned, fashion certainly plays a role and as people's lives change their interests and priorities change and so waxing and waning happens as these effects move through a whole population. I think interest in wildlife is difficult to gauge from internet use because usage itself is heavily influenced by fashion - it does seem as though forums in general are past their peak as other (I would say far less satisfactory) systems like Facebook and Twitter take up people's online time. Anyway I'm gratefull to have somewhere to read about other people's wildlife encounters, that's not boxed in between columns of adverts or limited to half intelligible semi sentences.
Although I tend toward being rather gloomy about the direction of our society and its inability to get to grips with environmental realities, at a consumerist level there's perhaps some hope for wildlife interest, with supermarkets, garden centres and stores like Wilkinsons stocking increasingly large ranges of bird food and feeders, Tesco now carries as standard a packeted Hedgehog feed. How effective all this exenditure is I have no idea and I suspect there's an awful lot of waste and unintentional feeding of rats and grey squirrels, and that a lot of feeders go unfilled for long periods but it must at some level denote interest. Maybe we'll get to a point where homes up for sale or rent are advertised as having excellent 'wildlife gardens' and we'll have photos of crowded feeders alongside the usual fitted kitchens and newly intalled wetrooms.
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Post by accipiter on Dec 3, 2016 18:59:59 GMT
One of the reasons maybe the difficulty of logging on as already commented on although with just a little effort it is not all that difficult. And then of course one cannot posts photos to the gallery now although one can still view which was also very popular.
But strangely enough many other sites of this nature have also experienced a general lack of interest. Personally I have never been too keen on their strict rules, not changing the subject for instance as I think this leads to a very boring post in my opinion. Conversations should be able to stray and be humorous (whenever possible a thing I like to do) as long as the question is answered what does it matter. If one conducted one’s self at a party in the very same way I can just imagine soon finding oneself alone or even branded as a stuffed shirt!
And then there is technology what a terrible word (just call me old fashion) but I am afraid many have taken to this, I fear for the next generation and its lack of interest in the countryside and all it contains.
Unfortunately today’s society tends to strive for the unattainable and cannot seem to be satisfied with the simple things in life. Without delving too deeply into the realms of philosophy I fear that wealth has become the new religion.
Anyhow I would like to thank you for providing us all with this wonderful site Rowanberry, is it a little too early to wish you a jolly happy Christmas, hmm I think not.
And fear not oh empress of the airways Alan will be back soon, as long as I do not fall down a rabbit hole first!
Alan
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Post by Tringa on Dec 4, 2016 11:12:14 GMT
I don't think fewer people are interested in wildlife now; nature programmes often feature fairly highly in viewer ratings, though some of these are to do with the presenters. However, there is a possibility the increased trend to the immediate has an impact. I feel, perhaps incorrectly, for some if something can't be presented completely to them in minutes then it is dismissed. Andy Warhol was right but perhaps he should have added after the quote on fame that is credited to him, "... because that is the length of your attention span." I too had noticed the lack of posting on the once very active WAB. I don't know the reasons but suspect the problems Harold mentioned play their part, they certainly did for me. Sometimes I could log on but sometimes I could not or I'd get on and then suddenly be kicked off. It was clear a number of contributors to WAB were wildlife professionals and some knowledgeable amateurs but I think the majority were, like me, an amateur with an interest but only little knowledge. I think some of these will have been attracted to, as CM has noted, Facebook and Twitter. I briefly joined the WABCastaways that Deb from WAB set up on Facebook but could not get on with it. This is no reflection on the WABCastaways group. It is my reaction to how Facebook appears to work and the fact Facebook is not a forum. If I'm reading some questions/observation/answers about a particular bird then I don't want them to be interspersed with questions/observation/answers about something else entirely, and particularly I do not want read the comments and see a few of the holiday snaps of some one I never heard and simply because they know someone I know. This forum has been quiet for a while but things do wax and wane and also there are relatively few active members, though proportionally I wonder if we have any fewer active members than WAB had. I hope this forum continues and new members appear and take part and I too want to thank all involved in setting it up and maintaining it. Dave Just been reminded of this - www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSA7kKNu2Y&list=RDKCSA7kKNu2Y#t=0 . It was written with email in mind, which shows how the Web has moved on, but I think it is still appropriate to quite a lot that is online. Not that I am anti-Web, far from it. It is truly marvellous but my is there a lot c**p out there. PS Careful with rabbit holes Alan, remember "... one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small"
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Post by accipiter on Dec 4, 2016 18:00:20 GMT
Hmm I am willing to admit I am wrong about the popularity of the numbers of people interested in wildlife as a whole today and I hope I am, but frankly I do not see the same amount of feet on the ground as years gone by. Sure the popularity of bird feeders as exploded over the years and perhaps I have been to too many meetings and parties but most if not all these people are not in the least interested in wildlife, on the contrary finance in one form or another is always the topic of the day. But then again my particular form of bird study does not bring me into contact with many other like minded people either, it is mainly old friends from way back so it is hard to say but on the occasions I have visited reserves and country parks they have been really quite empty with just the odd family visitors and one or two serious bird listers / watchers, whom tend to be middle aged and older. Ashgale is probably right in his analysis too in that many forums members are not really participance the majority just wanting an answer to a particular question. Many if not all the young folks today are far more interested in game playing over the internet and technology in general, in other words things in their world have moved on. Take cooking for instance ok it may seem like a very strange analogy but on the whole today’s generation do have a clue in preparing and cooking a meal, in my day everyone knew how to an prepare an animal for the table, indeed if you wanted to eat meat there was no other way. As opposed to today where many young families exist on fast food and takeaways, at least all the young people I know do. Anyhow to return to the main topic of conversation I was just wondering how is Debs Castaways doing these days (is it popular) not that I would ever consider opening a face book account it is just that I would be intrigued to know. PS Thanks for the rabbit hole tip Dave but I gave up taking the mini pill some time back, incidentally the last time I fell in a rabbit hole I ended up nearly breaking a leg plus the voice of a soprano. Alan
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Post by ayjay on Dec 4, 2016 21:33:09 GMT
I'm a member of several different forums, covering a wide range of subjects, some of them for over 15 years.
One in particular that I've used since 2001 has over 20,000 registered members, (there's been 220 online there in the past hour - 5 members 219 guests and 6 anonymous users - the most ever online at one time, 832).
I doubt if there are more than 30 regular posters there now out of over 20,000.
This very subject has been discussed on more than one forum that I use and the conclusion has always been that forums are all much much quieter since Facebook and Twitter etc. came on the scene.
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Post by rowanberry on Dec 4, 2016 22:45:51 GMT
That is a real shame about WAB- I was unaware of the login problems, but I can see how it would be off-putting. I have to agree with the comments about Facebook- I just can't get on with it. Too many things on the page, and I can never figure out if posts are in response to what others have posted, or something else entirely. Maybe I'm just not techie enough!
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Post by ayjay on Dec 5, 2016 11:21:21 GMT
I have to agree with the comments about Facebook- I just can't get on with it. Too many things on the page, and I can never figure out if posts are in response to what others have posted, or something else entirely. Maybe I'm just not techie enough! I also get confused and frustrated when I have to sometimes look at Facebook, (I only ever do it if I can find no other way) there appears to be no structure to a page and I often end up just going around in circles. Pinterest is no better - I often search google images for ceramic related stuff and am always put off by the Pinterest responses, they also seem to go around in circles and I can never get to the link/image/website that I think I'm clicking on.
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Post by NellyDee on Dec 5, 2016 12:00:28 GMT
Maybe I am lucky where I live. There is always something going on for the young in the strath. There is a weekly toddlers group that go off into the woods where they are encouraged to look at the birds, find insects gather different leaves and see if they can find bugs and beetles. Play in puddles and generally have a fun time. There is a group for the older children – also in the woods where they learn crafts, have survey sheets so they can record what they find, are shown the different plants and fungi with each season, how to cook outdoors – and clear up. The local school have little events based on nature and the environment. When there has been clean up and area more often as not the children get involved also. I do despair generally for the next generation, it only seems small groups here and there go out and feel nature – or go out for that matter and when they do they are glued to their iPhones with no idea about what is going on around them. As for things getting quite on websites and forums – this usually comes up somewhere every year. It is the time when nature is resting down ready for the winter so there really is not much to go out and see. Likewise we humans are more inclined to snuggle up indoors. You were asking about WAB Castaways Alan. Some of the old ‘experts’ are members and Deb has done a fantastic job, creating ‘files’ with links to all sorts of interesting sites where we can get information if needs be. There are ‘albums’ which members add to for birds, mammals, moths and caterpillars, amphibians,flora, fungi etc. which we use for ID and there are personal albums where members have posted pictures of nature taken on walks. You know on FaceBook you can join a group and only see them if you want to. You can leave your joining page as is with just basic info, then set your own security and what you want to see or do not want to see and who you will allow to see your ‘home page’. If something or someone you don’t want to see you just right click top corner of post and click hide any posts from this person or group. Since the demise of wab, I have only joined this group, and two other sites. On FB I have castaways and sometimes look in on the wild about Britain (though find it too random and full of professional photographers pushing their wares on the quite. Likewise the wild flowers of Britain, too - um – trying to be super expert. My FB is naturally rather full – lots of photos etc, but it is a way for me to keep in touch with family and relative and it is very useful being able to use the private messaging and to use the facetime which means I can chat to my daughter when she is abroad and it does not cost me anything. Not like when she was in Zambia and it ended up costing £90!
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Post by accipiter on Dec 5, 2016 18:02:57 GMT
Thank you so much for the information Helen, I am so pleased it is going so well for Debs please pass on my best wishes. I must admit it does sound very nice but I am very happy to stay amongst everyone here. Alan
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Post by rowanberry on Dec 5, 2016 22:17:53 GMT
NellieDee, do you have Skype on your computer? That's what I use to chat with friends or family who are abroad...you can even use it to call their landlines and it is so much cheaper. It is tricky to sometimes work out the time differences, though.
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Post by NellyDee on Dec 6, 2016 11:17:31 GMT
NellieDee, do you have Skype on your computer? That's what I use to chat with friends or family who are abroad...you can even use it to call their landlines and it is so much cheaper. It is tricky to sometimes work out the time differences, though. Yes I used to use Skype, got too irritated with it. FaceTime is so easy and much quicker connecting. Don't need to think about time differences as on FB I can see if they are on line or not so just click FaceTime and talk. Easier for daughter when she is travelling around and only has her iPad or mobile, I also get nice visuals of where she is as she turns her iPad to show me.
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Post by teasel on Dec 6, 2016 14:31:54 GMT
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Post by accipiter on Dec 7, 2016 18:08:38 GMT
I did read that report somewhere, as for the X Factor I understand this program is nowhere near as popular as it once was, also most of the people I know do not even own a TV mainly because of the poor quality programs. But I can quite understand why David Attenborough’s new series is popular but I should have thought many are armchair followers of nature, as many young people seem to prefer staying at home playing high tech games. As a side note my wife and I spent all summer traveling up and down the country watching little owls,’ admittedly we did come into contact with the odd birder staying at the same hotels but interestingly enough all were male, middle aged and older that were also on their own, which does seem to be the case in general. Alan
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