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Post by faith on Mar 31, 2016 11:35:41 GMT
Sorry, I didn't see that before ashgale. The top row is Gypsywort (Lycopus europeaus) without a doubt. Rare where I live in Scotland, but I understand it is quite common in the south. I believe it was often planted by herbalists in the past for its medicinal qualities.
Your Campanula looks like C.persicifolia, Peach-leaved Bellflower, a garden escape.
Orchis mascula (Early Purple Orchid), yes I agree with that ID for the first photo. The next two also seem to be that species, although a slightly different colour. I would have expected the leaves to be spotted, though. I wonder if there are any other orchids around that might be hybridising – one of the orchids' favourite activities. Maybe Aeshna can comment on these. Bee Orchid, yes. Where did you find all these nice plants? It's always helpful to know what part of the country and what kind of habitat they were in.
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Post by faith on Mar 31, 2016 15:45:46 GMT
Wow, some fieldful of orchids! Former industrial sites often do good orchids, actually; I think it is the unusual minerals etc that they turn up. Interesting about the spotted and unspotted leaves – it could suggest a hybrid storm. Are there perhaps Southern Marsh Orchids there slightly later on? (I think Notts is far enough south for them not to be the Northern variety.) Time of year is also a good point to note with orchids, as some are quite early flowering, and some much later. The hybrids tend to come between the two parent flowering times.
Yes, I hesitated over the Peach-leaved at first, because the leaves did look extremely narrow (not very peach-like in fact) but I read that they can be very narrow, and frankly there wasn't much else it could be.
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Post by faith on Mar 31, 2016 17:58:58 GMT
In Scotland, that would be pretty early for any orchids at all, but I would think it makes Early Purple and Southern Marsh both quite likely where you are.
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Post by elia on Mar 31, 2016 19:44:57 GMT
i posted a few flowers here for id, but so far only got one of them identified,  anyone able to help me out with the id's for any of the others please ? (the titles are my guess at the id, but i may be way off line ) Hello ashgale, The think the orchids in your first post could be:- Early Purple, Southern Marsh x 2 and Bee Orchid. Your other two photos could be Common Spotted and Southern Marsh, one problem is that where these two grow close to each other you inevitably get hybrids. |
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Post by aeshna5 on Apr 1, 2016 5:11:26 GMT
Yes I was also thinking Southern Marsh.
Going a bit off track I see the first orchids are now in flower in Dorset with Early Spider + Sawfly Orchid. I think the latter didn't flower last year after its initial discovery as a first for Britain the previous year. Nice photo on twitter.
I'm currently studying orchids for a trip to Lesbos soon. Very difficult as every expert disagrees which are species with anywhere between 40 + over 100 species. Also the nomenclature varies so much but will have fun looking.
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Post by faith on Apr 1, 2016 11:13:49 GMT
All the ones you showed us are in the same family, viz Orchidaceae, but they are in different genera e.g.Orchis, Dactylorhiza etc. (You need that book, methinks . . . ) However, as Aeshna says, experts are always disagreeing about what species they are, moreover some botanists are mad splittists and some are die-hard lumpists. Orchids even move about between genera, but they are always in the family Orchidaceae.
The reasons for this are not just the cussedness of botanists but (a) because Orchids, which are a relatively 'recent' plant family, do a lot of hybridising and even possibly speciating, so they actually become something different over time and (b) botanists in labs (not a place I ever go!) are now studying the DNA of plants as well as just the morphology (i.e. what they look like). If the old name, selected on the basis of morphology, disagrees with the DNA designation, then DNA wins – hence the name gets changed.
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Post by ustulata on Apr 18, 2016 8:33:53 GMT
The plant with the spotted leaves is almost certainly Dactylorhiza x grandis, the hybrid between common spotted & southern marsh orchid.
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