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Post by ayjay on Sept 18, 2015 8:51:38 GMT
I spend most of my spare time bimbling around the New Forest, usually either bird, butterfly or dragonfly watching (depending on the weather and season) but like most of you (I expect) I take an interest in anything else alive which presents itself for observation. I see a good number of these particular beetles around, (pic below), I think they are Dor beetles, it's not unusual to find one upside down waving its legs in the air and I always stop and flip them back over. One day last week on a shortish walk of about a mile (through Holmsley Inclosure) I must have seen over 100 that were dead and more than 20 that I flipped back over, one in particular seemed unable to stay on its legs and after the third time of flipping it over I gave up and left it to its fate. I started to wonder about what was happening and so did a little internet research and came up with the fact that these beetles walk by pumping blood around their legs, when they are nearing the end of their lifespan the blood is not pumped as strongly as it needs to be and so they are unable to function correctly which is presumably why with so many dead ones around I was also seeing so many upside down and struggling to right themselves. The question is, should I continue to flip them back over or is it kinder(?) to just leave them to their inevitable fate? IMG_8690-c-r-f by Wabi Gallery, on Flickr
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Post by ayjay on Sept 22, 2015 12:56:18 GMT
My walk this morning took me back to where I'd seen so many dead and (possibly) dying beetles a few days ago. I started counting them (but stopped after covering about 400 yards as it was intruding on seeing other things).
I counted 46 dead beetles and 15 live ones, 6 of which were on their backs and I flipped them back onto their legs.
I think I'll continue to flip over any that I see upside down as right or wrong, it just feels like the decent thing to do.
What about you, do you flip over any beetles that you find waving their legs in the air?
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Post by aeshna5 on Sept 22, 2015 17:46:35 GMT
I probably would too.
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Post by ayjay on Oct 3, 2015 21:08:00 GMT
All those dead beetles are not going to waste - I'm not able to identify what made the poo but I've seen a few like this one recently - usually they appear to have been rained or trampled on and have no discernible shape, (or maybe the content doesn't allow it to hold it's shape very well).
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Post by davemangham on Oct 19, 2015 20:27:57 GMT
Could maybe be Hedgehogs? In my experience Hedgehog faeces tend to have a 'mushier' (please excuse my lack of descriptive expertise) appearance, but maybe this is dependant upon content, those in my locality may have a 'mushier' diet!
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Post by ayjay on Oct 19, 2015 22:00:32 GMT
Most of them are too big for Hedgehog poo Dave, Fox is my No.1 suspect. Badger is also a possibility, although I'm not actually aware of any Badgers nearby I'd be quite surprised if there weren't.
That's raised the thought that I'll have to investigate the toilet habits of possible suspects. I suspect they don't just poo anywhere like dogs do.
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Post by dogghound on Oct 20, 2015 23:17:06 GMT
Have you considered corvid pellet? Both Rook and jackdaw can create similar pellets to this.
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Post by ayjay on Oct 21, 2015 9:24:40 GMT
Have you considered corvid pellet? Both Rook and jackdaw can create similar pellets to this. No, I wasn't aware that they made pellets, although logically I'd have to assume that any bird would with waste of this nature. I've never seen either a Jackdaw or a Rook in this area of woodland. A few Jays and the occasional Crow and Magpie are the only Corvids I see here. I think most of the remains that I've seen are too large to be any birds pellet. Pure speculation on the size: if it was dog poo we'd probably be looking for a small/medium Labrador. If I see any more I'll try and get a pic with something in it for scale but recently I haven't seen as many, (nor so many dead beetles) so the glut must have finished. There's always next year.
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