New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet?

silversea
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New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet? Aug 11, 2015 19:58:19 GMT

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Post by silversea on Aug 11, 2015 19:58:19 GMT

Hi all,

Can't find much info so wondered if anyone would be able to help with this ID. It is either viciae or trifolii. I'm thinking the marking arrangements (with the middle two spots out of alignment along with the inner spot being much larger) suggests viciae but I'd appreciate comments.

It was taken on Normandy at Cotentin, where both species probably occur.

P1140318 by Wabi Gallery, on Flickr

Last Edit: Feb 15, 2016 10:12:46 GMT by snowlynx

htcdude
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New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet? Aug 12, 2015 10:04:12 GMT

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Post by htcdude on Aug 12, 2015 10:04:12 GMT

I don't think the arrangement of the spots has any bearing on the species. I've not seen NF 5-spot before, structurally this looks fine for your normal 5-spot though. NF 5-spot is also smaller (12-14mm), whereas 5-spot is 14-19mm. Yours looks more like the latter.

Nige

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New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet? Aug 12, 2015 15:50:30 GMT

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Post by silversea on Aug 12, 2015 15:50:30 GMT

Hi Nige,

Interesting...only reason I mentioned that is because I searched up many pictures of both species, and it was a consistent difference I saw. You mention a structure difference? Is this related to the "rounded wing tips" Wikipedia was going on about? If that size difference was greater I might be able to use a ruler and try and guess the size based on my fingers.

The location apparently favours New Forest so I had it down as that for a while until I heard that trifolii can occur in wet meadows, which are not at the site but nearby.

Last Edit: Aug 12, 2015 20:26:34 GMT by silversea

silversea Junior Member Posts: 70	New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet? Aug 12, 2015 20:20:02 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by silversea on Aug 12, 2015 20:20:02 GMT Here is another one from the same location on a different day: 5-spotted burnet Normandy France 1 by Wabi Gallery, on Flickr
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htcdude Grand Member Posts: 774	New Forest burnet vs. Five-spot burnet? Aug 13, 2015 10:05:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by htcdude on Aug 13, 2015 10:05:36 GMT Hmmmmm I'm not sure then! As I say NF 5spot isn't one I've seen. Size would be your best beet probably. To me that pic is a spitting image of this one: www.hantsmoths.org.uk/species/0171.php Nige

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Post by htcdude on Aug 12, 2015 10:04:12 GMT

Post by silversea on Aug 12, 2015 15:50:30 GMT

Post by silversea on Aug 12, 2015 20:20:02 GMT

Post by htcdude on Aug 13, 2015 10:05:36 GMT