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Post by Tringa on Dec 18, 2020 11:28:19 GMT
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Post by rowanberry on Dec 19, 2020 20:49:26 GMT
That was really well done... made me laugh, which was well needed today. We're in a bit of a Tier Four mope after watching the news.
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Post by ianr on Dec 21, 2020 7:19:34 GMT
So there'll be no Besthorpe for me today the daughters school part closed the other week when one of her colleagues tested positive. We all did the test here last Monday and sent them back 'makes you gag a little' results came back Saturday Gemma's positive 'headache and muscle aches no temp' the wife and myself negative 'so far' It's already a week since the test and Gemma was complaining of headache a week before that, still we'll have to sit the self isolation out from the test date and take it from there and Gemma will have a local retest Tuesday-ish. Pleased I got all the booze in before the results came through ian
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Post by Tringa on Dec 21, 2020 10:07:12 GMT
All the best to you and your family, Ian.
Dave
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Post by ianr on Dec 26, 2020 10:06:40 GMT
Well according to the phone app I'm free tomorrow and I know where I'll be at 9am hope it's not flooded out ian
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Post by Psamathe on Jan 8, 2021 19:43:59 GMT
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Post by Tringa on Jan 12, 2021 11:27:49 GMT
Should we be thanking Boris now? He was cycling in the Olympic Park at the weekend, which is about seven miles from number 10 and in this article - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55620138 - a Downing Street source told the BBC, "The PM has exercised within the Covid rules and any suggestion to the contrary is wrong." Now the Downing Street source could have been anyone but I think it would now be difficult for anyone, exercising up to seven miles from home, to be prosecuted when the PM has just done it and when he could have cycled much more locally. Is it three cheers for Boris as, for exercise, we can all now ignore nearer places and travel up to seven miles?
More seriously, during the pandemic we have been told to stay at home, don't travel unless allowed and when exercising we should do so locally, and we have seen the PM's ex-senior advisor and now the PM himself flout those rules. It is almost beyond belief. Digressing slightly, is anyone finding it difficult to exercise under the current rules/guidance? I, like a few other a members here, live in or close to London and I don't find any problem going for a well socially distanced walk. I'd rather be walking in NW Scotland but it is certainly not difficult to find somewhere to stretch the legs at home. Dave
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Post by Psamathe on Jan 12, 2021 11:40:51 GMT
Should we be thanking Boris now? He was cycling in the Olympic Park at the weekend, which is about seven miles from number 10 and in this article - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55620138 - a Downing Street source told the BBC, "The PM has exercised within the Covid rules and any suggestion to the contrary is wrong." Now the Downing Street source could have been anyone but I think it would now be difficult for anyone, exercising up to seven miles from home, to be prosecuted when the PM has just done it and when he could have cycled much more locally. Is it three cheers for Boris as, for exercise, we can all now ignore nearer places and travel up to seven miles?
More seriously, during the pandemic we have been told to stay at home, don't travel unless allowed and when exercising we should do so locally, and we have seen the PM's ex-senior advisor and now the PM himself flout those rules. It is almost beyond belief. Digressing slightly, is anyone finding it difficult to exercise under the current rules/guidance? I, like a few other a members here, live in or close to London and I don't find any problem going for a well socially distanced walk. I'd rather be walking in NW Scotland but it is certainly not difficult to find somewhere to stretch the legs at home. Dave To me he has just highlighted the ambiguity of his rules. Only a few days ago loads of reports of 2 girls out for a walk getting £200 fine each and they only drove 5 miles (compared to Boris' 7 mile drive). Police Official from Norfolk on our BBC TV magazine program last night said that if you live in a town of village you should not leave that town or village - which limits me to a 500 meter walk! Yet the law (which we have to obey) apparently makes no mention of "local" or how far from home you can exercise. It is this totally inadequate law that is the cause of all the problems. A member of an advisory committee to Sage on Radio 4 the other day was saying that actually public compliance is high (90%) but that the Cummings effect is still significant and Johnson has still lost a lot of credibility - so when he declares what he did was "legal" it's just another instance of his declaring Cummings "did nothing wrong". It is quite daft having the law (which we have to obey), guidance (which is different from the law and sometimes some Police forces decide to enforce) and the "one rule for them, another rule for the rest of us". Ian
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Post by accipiter on Jan 12, 2021 12:51:52 GMT
Am I alone here, but every time I see someone being vaccinated I cannot help but feel “very uncomfortable indeed,” so suffice to say I’m not going to have the jab until more data is known on irreversible side effects; i.e. until enough time has passed i.e. after the first jab preferable twelve months at least. By which time they should know if everything is going to plan.
In the meantime my wife and I will remain sheltering from the storm knowing these vaccines work by causing the immune system to go into over drive which in itself isn’t altogether healthy.
Here I’m speaking about cerebral thrombosis taking place when the immune system is caused to go into overdrive, something that’s never mentioned for obvious reasons e.g. they don’t want to alarm the pubic and it’s a rare occurrence.
However, I should point out that if you do decide to refrain from vaccination at the moment it’s “absolutely vital” you remain at home until much more data is known something that even the experts don’t have at this present moment in time.
Ps
According to Betty Boothroyd and she should know being a onetime speaker of the house, (there’s no data on immunity after three weeks of being given the first jab.
I should also make clear I’m not opposed to vaccines, just being very careful for the time being in regards to information.
Alan
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Post by accipiter on Jan 12, 2021 13:15:13 GMT
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Post by Psamathe on Jan 12, 2021 13:18:19 GMT
Interesting report
Ian
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Post by ianr on Jan 13, 2021 8:36:19 GMT
I have to say I'm quite disappointed with the lack of clarity on travel for exercise. Of course I can walk to the local parks there's 2 in walking distance 'plus the woods' but both are rammed and I just get fed up with dodging folks. I know if I were to go to the places I'd prefer to walk I would see only half a dozen at most and they would mostly be a wave and a nod away. Trouble is it's a 15 to 20 minute drive and in Nottinghamshire, 10 mins from home and I can be in Notts. I think the biggest problem is the police they've never been good or consistent at interpreting the rules it seem to depend on the frame of mind of the individual at that moment. This morning on the news I'm sure it said somewhere the police were telling people they could only exercise for 30 mins a day? That would put walking to the parks out for me I don't know, think I'll be well and truly peed off if were not out and about by the end of Feb ian
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Post by Psamathe on Jan 13, 2021 9:58:21 GMT
I have to say I'm quite disappointed with the lack of clarity on travel for exercise. .... Cynic is me is not thinking the ambiguity is deliberate. In my opinion Government has badly failed the public always doing too little too late. This ambiguity allows politicians to blame the public for things not working - which they are doing with gusto (just listen to the Gov.Press Briefings and it's all "public failing to follow rules"). Blame the public diverts the blame from themselves. Reality seems that public compliance is high 90%+ (according to SAGE Advisory Groups from data they are using). And all the extra problems are because the lockdown lax e.g. schools are far too full because now e.g. dog groomers, estate agents etc, are classed as key workers so send their children to school. Scientists have been calling for stricter lockdown for some time now but politicians doing little more than saying "they are looking at the possibility" (whilst the NHS staff work ludicrous frantic and dangerous hours as the situation worsens). And yet again we are seeing their stats being manipulated (or pre-prepared to be manipulated). Just like we had tests posted being counted as tests done (so they could meet their targets) we are now seeing a set-up for similar on vaccinations with talk of "vaccinations offered" - any bets on mid-feb seeing millions of letters posted out offering vaccination dates into late April! Ian
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Post by accipiter on Jan 13, 2021 10:44:30 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as I understand it the postal appointments don’t include a contact number so who would I need to contact? Not only that but I wouldn’t be able to attend anywhere that wasn’t within walking distance i.e. local. Neither would I be able to wait nor stand in a long queue. Without going into my health details less just say I’m not the man I once was therefor I would need to go straight in without waiting more than ten minutes or so. Given the government’s effort so far I don’t hold out much hope, all I can say it’s just as well I made my funeral arraignments otherwise I would know doubt end up In a sulphur pit along with Amadeus Mozart. As for a dental appointment that I need, plus new spectacles forget it.
Alan
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Post by Psamathe on Jan 13, 2021 10:59:31 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as I understand it the postal appointments don’t include a contact number so who would I need to contact? Not only that but I wouldn’t be able to attend anywhere that wasn’t within walking distance i.e. local. Neither would I be able to wait nor stand in a long queue. Without going into my health details less just say I’m not the man I once was therefor I would need to go straight in without waiting more than ten minutes or so. Given the government’s effort so far I don’t hold out much hope, all I can say it’s just as well I made my funeral arraignments otherwise I would know doubt end up In a sulphur pit along with Amadeus Mozart. As for a dental appointment that I need, plus new spectacles forget it. Alan Sorry, I can't comment as I've no experience of what the appointment invitations say. My 90+ year Mum has not yet had an invite (and she's cancelled another operation as the surgeon told her no C-19 vaccination week before or 3 weeks after surgery and she's putting the vaccination above her other operation); she even takes her phone, paper and pencil to the toilet with her as she does not want to miss the phone call. The vaccine invite system does not seem very good at recognising phone numbers (at least the flu vaccine invite system) as I recently got a letter "We don't have your phone number so we're writing to invite you to call to book a flu vaccine" (supposedly from my GP but actually from some NHS central system other side of the country). So I called and booked and later got a phone text message reminding me of my appointment (so they did have my phone number!). I must confess I don't like the few mega, centrally run vaccination centres as almost everybody has to travel further and by their nature they gether larger crowds and queues which contribute to further spread in the days before the vaccination provides immunity, particularly as the current vulnerable groups often need carers/helpers to travel with them. For ages the pharmacy association had been offering to help (11,000 pharmacies already do flu vaccinations) and their offers were ignored by Government; it's only recently they have started taking up that offer. Big mega centres offer politicians PR Press announcements, photo ops for senior politicians (who travel across the country during a "stay at home" message) but, with limited vaccine are not always the best way to achieve the aims. Ian
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