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Post by Tringa on Jun 24, 2016 20:31:58 GMT
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Post by alf1951 on Jun 25, 2016 7:01:45 GMT
Sickening - not just the behaviour of the idiots killing raptors but also the treatment lack of meaningful penalties for them doing so.
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Post by Tringa on Jun 25, 2016 16:27:50 GMT
I agree Alf. When I saw it had been treated by a caution I thought it was an example of not what you know, but who you know.
Dave
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Post by rowanberry on Jun 25, 2016 20:36:12 GMT
They publicly name other criminals- why wasn't this individual named and shamed? This is ridiculous- nothing but a slap on the wrist...the estate owners get away with it again.  |
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Post by kentyeti on Jun 26, 2016 9:06:47 GMT
The law is not working. All that it has done for Hen Harriers, just going back to 1981, is see them virtually reach breeding extinction in England.
Changes have to happen. On both "sides".
Brood management has to be trialled, with a law change if needed, to allow it work.
Let The Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, (I am a member), who have pushed it hard, take the lead on that. They have the contacts and members in the shooting world. Because of their stance on it, they will be under considerable pressure to make brood management work: so they will be forced to implement changes from inside the shooting world to make sure it works.
If some people would stand back from trying to stop countryside pursuits that, in some cases have been going on for centuries, and think this through, Hen Harriers would have a good chance of re-establishing themselves as breeding birds in England. But to me, those people are now the biggest obstacle to that is happening with Hen Harriers. You get ludicrous statements from them, such as "30 pairs of breeding Hen Harriers in Engand before we consider Brood Management". Total idiocy: where on earth are 30 pairs suddenly to come from after 35 years of a law that has done nothing but see them go extinct? Do they expect divine intervention? At present, and for the forseeable future that is about the only way 30 pairs will appear in England.
At the same time as Brood Management is introduced there need to be minimum penalties for those who still behave as in the case that started this thread. In my opinion the minimum should be a custodial sentence of at least three months and loss of gun licences for a season or more. The same for landowners where this happens on their estates.
Will any of this happen?
No. Too many peope saying they want Hen Harriers back, but won't change entrenched views about countyside pursuits. Plus lack of political will and lack of funding to properly pursue and properly punish those found guilty of such as using pole traps.
As for where I get my views. A very great deal of time on such as grouse moors with my work on my Short-eared Owl book, talking a lot to a wide range of people who have spent their lives working or watching there.
Cheers,
Bryan
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Post by rossy on Jun 26, 2016 11:09:50 GMT
cant get on the link. but probably a good thing as i get very angry reading some half wit has been tickled for killing bop. rossy.
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Post by kentyeti on Sept 1, 2016 8:51:56 GMT
Good news from Langholm Moor this year. 25 young Hen Harriers ringed! Making 89 in the three years I have been going up there for Short-eared Owls.
The bad news is that with the gamekeepers pulled off the project from this April the foxes are getting back and one young Hen Harrier was seen being killed and dragged off by a fox on the nest cams.
The scientific side of the project continues until next October, after which it is anyone's guess as to what happens.
If the sheep get back on the moor then, along with the foxes etc, there is an inevitability about a sharp drop in the breeding success. If someone like the RSPB, who voice their concerns loud and clear about Hen Harrier breeding, don't step back in to persuade and help finance Buccleuth Estates to keep something going up there, I shall be somewhat annoyed! 89 Hen Harrier bred in the last three years, in sight of England, has to mean something to someone amongst those ringing their hands in despair over this species.
Cheers,
Bryan
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