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Post by lizb on Jun 8, 2015 16:21:49 GMT
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Post by lizb on Jun 8, 2015 16:24:48 GMT
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Post by lizb on Jun 8, 2015 16:26:21 GMT
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Post by aeshna5 on Jun 8, 2015 17:35:06 GMT
Some tentative IDs:
1 Light Brocade 2 I'm not convinced (partly because the legs don't look hairy enough) but just maybe Pale Tussock 3 one of those tricky pugs- perhaps Mottled Pug? 6 maybe Celypha lacunana 7 maybe C. stiana 8 I'm confident Common Swift
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Post by aeshna5 on Jun 8, 2015 18:59:23 GMT
4 I think Shears
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Post by petecollins on Jun 8, 2015 19:02:08 GMT
aeshna5 has just beaten me to it, I was about to say 4 is Shears!
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Post by lizb on Jun 8, 2015 21:19:51 GMT
Thank you both
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Post by alphawolf on Jun 8, 2015 22:17:40 GMT
Qucik and weird question but how do you find them? In a garden surroundings!
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Post by htcdude on Jun 9, 2015 13:21:00 GMT
Qucik and weird question but how do you find them? In a garden surroundings! Use a moth trap or leave the lights on near the house sometimes works Nige
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Post by htcdude on Jun 10, 2015 8:02:02 GMT
Have had a look through, agree with most:
1 Light Brocade 2 Pale Tussock 3 Mottled Pug 4 Shears 5 - can't place this one... 6 Cnephasia sp (can't ID from photos, most common though is Grey Tortrix, Cnephasia stephensiana) 7 Celypha striana 8 Common Swift
Nige
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Post by lizb on Jun 10, 2015 16:31:58 GMT
Thanks Nige, especially for Grey Tortrix suggestion. I note from my records that I saw one last year - recorded with a question mark because of possible alternative.
Bit exasperated looking for 5 - actually had two of these in trap so not just one variant. Here is the other
Quite pleased with my first proper trap at weekend - 25 identified so far, 13 new for me - plus a few day fliers from last month and a Small Elephant Hawk moth in my shed - coming up to anniversary of my first trap last year - looking forward to growing my garden list further.
Just about to sort the last few, perhaps less clear pictures, so watch out for another plea for help!
Liz wwwwiron1-1 by Wabi Gallery, on Flickr
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Post by alphawolf on Jun 10, 2015 17:33:17 GMT
Thanks Nige, especially for Grey Tortrix suggestion. I note from my records that I saw one last year - recorded with a question mark because of possible alternative.
Bit exasperated looking for 5 - actually had two of these in trap so not just one variant. Here is the other
Quite pleased with my first proper trap at weekend - 25 identified so far, 13 new for me - plus a few day fliers from last month and a Small Elephant Hawk moth in my shed - coming up to anniversary of my first trap last year - looking forward to growing my garden list further.
Just about to sort the last few, perhaps less clear pictures, so watch out for another plea for help!
Liz What kind of trap are you using?
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Post by lizb on Jun 10, 2015 18:25:40 GMT
This was Robinson trap with 125W MV bulb. This is very bright and I only use it near my house in an area that can be shielded so that it does not shine on my neighbours property.
I started off using a homemade trap with a black light (See post by Hank "Bucket trap" on this forum. ) This has advantage that it does not disturb neighbours and can be put anywhere in garden. Also it is a lot cheaper to make - and to run. It does not attract as many moths but does attract a variety of moths as it can be put in different positions. I still use this occasionally.
A lot of people make their own traps or improvise very successfully and there are a lot of helpful articles on the internet about this.
I think quality rather than quantity is important - especially when one is less experienced - as it does take time to sort and photo the moths early in the morning after they have been trapped so that they can be safely released again before they are damaged.
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Post by htcdude on Jun 11, 2015 10:35:02 GMT
I'll keep looking later for a possible for your other Noctuid. Which county are you in? You could try asking the county recorder, they're usually quite helpful Nige
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Post by htcdude on Jun 11, 2015 10:48:27 GMT
Just had a thought, how big was #5? Marbled Minor are very varied and could be this. To fully determine species though it would need gen det to separate it from Tawny Marbled Minor and Rufous Minor.
Nige
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